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guninvalid over coax alliance
why does gen alpha feel the need to put "bruh" at the end of every sentence it's as ass as when gen x was putting "tho" at the end of every sentence or when gen z was putting "frfr ong" at the end of every sentence this website screams "PLEEASE GIVE ME MONEY I NEED TO BUY A THIRD HOUSE PLEEEEEEASE" it's probably safer to go with a proven technology if you need a firewall you can use vyos or pfsense, or openwrt, or even just a standard computer with ufw or firewalld or windows defender firewll if you need port security you can just use standard 802.1X, so RADIUS shit like freeradius or windows network policy server but this in particular just screams i-wanna-grow-a-hundred-million-dollar-startu0-then-sell-it
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
are you trying to say that you’re a millennial or what well i was on a forum they said it was good but they had an addon for “ip rate limiting”
guninvalid over coax alliance
generations are meaningless but im either millenial or gen z depending on where you draw the line but i identify as an old man, get off my fucking lawn whippersnapper wait so what are you actually asking? are you asking if tnok is worth using for you or are you trying to get around rate limiting because we can't help you with the second thing
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
what no tnok is a firewall for ports the ‘rate limiting’ thing is a bug that tnok has
guninvalid over coax alliance
can't you just use ufw?
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
i mean yeah but lets stay on the tnok track 1st one cuz im interested in tnok “Next generation”
guninvalid over coax alliance
no i mean that why would you try to use tnok over ufw
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
Sounds cool if you ask me
guninvalid over coax alliance
yea every company says they're next generation and then none of them are looking at you, IPv6 looking at you, Wi-Fi 8 i mean if you just want to try out of curiosity then why are you asking this server if it's worth using? just use it
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
have you heard of fwknop?
guninvalid over coax alliance
but i wouldn't recommend actually trying to protect critical infrastructure with this until it's more proven no also see IPX, AppleTalk, Token Ring, MoCA...
guninvalid over coax alliance
also see EIGRP! while im shitting on network protocols
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
fuck it i guess ill try it just to try it but anyways if not that what would you say is ideal as a firewall for ports
guninvalid over coax alliance
yea you can certainly try it but there really no reason not to just use ufw or firewalld both are very proven techonologies, if you need something more robust or granular you should probably buy a dedicated firewall device
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
Is freeradius good
guninvalid over coax alliance
i.e. palo alto or cisco or even like an old laptop with some Ethernet adapters
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
wow you are typing a shit ton oh
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
what a small amount of word so much type
guninvalid over coax alliance
...if you can get it setup because i couldn't figure it out :Whisperain_Sad:
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
I just dont want metasploit kids cominng into my firewall trying to break my windows 10 😒
guninvalid over coax alliance
...explain? how would someone actually get into your network are you inviting metasploit kids into your home regularly? or as in just from the internet
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
from the internet obviously
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
or DCRat
guninvalid over coax alliance
yea you don't strictly "need" almost any of this then
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
is apparently better than metasploit i think you know why i want allt his 😭
guninvalid over coax alliance
your home firewall is a lot better than you give it credit for
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
have you heard of DCRat
guninvalid over coax alliance
i.e. the one your ISP gave you
guninvalid over coax alliance
no im not really in the red team world anymore
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
damn i am kinda confused
guninvalid over coax alliance
and when i did i barely knew how to use metasploit but it did work pretty well!
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
I was watching a metasploit video but then someone said “DCRat or WebRat is better” and im like tf is dcrat
guninvalid over coax alliance
meaningless
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
Apparently its “darkcrystal rat”
guninvalid over coax alliance
"better" means almost nothing in this context
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
they say “metapsloit is outdated software and opens your ports in the process, dcrat is much safer”
guninvalid over coax alliance
yea metasploit isn't meant to be secure most red teamers have terrible security on their side but you have a lot more to worry about when it comes to accidentally downloading malware than about any external threat randomly pwning your home network completely autonomously all those botnets have already been purged if any home router were that vulnerable, the company would know about it that hour and release a patch that day so as long as you keep your home wifi router updated (which often times it does automatically), you really don't have anything to worry about
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
damn well people still make new exploits in hidden dont they and new rats and shit ngl dcrat has been interesting but theres a shit ton of things “dcrat” “dark crystal rat” “dark comet rat”
guninvalid over coax alliance
yes, people do create new RATs every day, but unless they're being used for exactly one person, windows defender catches that shit immediately and pushes it into a malware registry the next week yes, hackers do move very, very fast, but the second largest company on the planet can pretty easily keep up with them, at least fast enough for 90-95% of the people in this server, no doubt including you this is true, people do put bugs and sometimes exploits into critical code but let me put it this way: do you remember the xz backdoor? we still don't know who Jia Tan is, but they did not put that backdoor in to spy on you
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
I wonder how they do that do i like have to read the kernel lets say i know all window apis and extra shit like that tf is my next move i have to do SOMETHING with the kernel drivers dont i
guninvalid over coax alliance
if it was the CIA, they probably put it in to spy on Iran or China, if it was China, they probably did it to spy on Taiwan or Israel or the FBI no it's actually very easy to create a RAT it's like trivial shit like back when i was learning pentesting in college one of our assignments was to create a RAT i wrote almost no code for that, [redacted] actually i don't think i can say more because ToS but yea you can make a RAT very easily without seeing almost any of that
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
yeah yeah i get what you mean but the problem is how to deploy it you have to cause an exploit to deploy it through networks
guninvalid over coax alliance
no you don't
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
discover a vulnerability build an exploit
guninvalid over coax alliance
a RAT can be delivered through social engineering, that's how most people do it
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
well yeah i meant on the internet like how wannacry spread
guninvalid over coax alliance
this really doesn't happen anymore or well, it does, but really only by very well-funded ransomware gangs in Russia or China or USA
guninvalid over coax alliance
or Venezuela or Chile and shit
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
the remote code execution one used through the SMB protocl funny how its kind of similar to eternalblue (obviously not even close to being as powerful)
guninvalid over coax alliance
yes this does exist but the people who put those up there are the ones who don't exploit it, they post it publicly for the public to know or for a bug bounty and when they do exploit it, they get discovered long before they get to you yes, but to be able to do that to your computer they would first have to pierce your home router unless you have your computer hooked up directly to the ISP line which I do not recommend
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
so wait what if i become a bug bounty hunter then ill be like them? like in the rust red ops directory for apc injection thats a pretty nifty exploit
guninvalid over coax alliance
tl;dr you can follow standard security policies, keep your shit up to date, use secure passwords and 2fa, be on the lookout for fishy/phishy downloads, and store your important documents in secure locations, you really don't have anything to worry about if it's good enough for my mom to have never gotten a noticeable virus on her computer, it's good enough for you
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
yeah you’re probably right damn so wait
guninvalid over coax alliance
the only time you would need to do more is if you're a sys-admin at a small or large company, or if you've pissed off a ransomware gang or foreign government to the point that they are willing to expend time and resources on you in particular
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
back to the bug bounty shit couldnt they hypothetically not sell it to the public
guninvalid over coax alliance
you can try :bceTrippy:
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
and just use it to spread payloads
guninvalid over coax alliance
yes you can sell it to the black market
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
I MEANT NOT SELL IT AT ALL
guninvalid over coax alliance
and RCE shit can often go for MILLIONS on the TOR network but that's the thing, it goes for millions ain't no-one wasting a million-dollar zero-day on you of all people regardless if you sunk weeks or months straight targeting a palo alto firewall or a vyos or ubiquiti device would you use it on john smith down the street? for what? for fun? for kicks?
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
idk sellcit become a bug bounty myself exploit developer for the unated stamts of americams
guninvalid over coax alliance
yea that's what i mean you can get a pretty decent bug bounty for yourself, but why would someone use a bug bounty on you when they can get tens of thousands for it on the white market? or millions on the black market?
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
sir sir i meant i would become a bug bounty hunter for the unated stats
guninvalid over coax alliance
you can try if you want I don't recommend it but it's your time to waste
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
r/masterhacker whats the problem with doing the shit that the people on exploitdb do
guninvalid over coax alliance
you'd have a better time going to college ofr university there's not necessarily anything wrong with it so long as you're following all the guidelines and laws but i just don't recommend it because there are much better things to spend your time on like id say it's more useful to look into something like ssh just for fun than to hunt specifically for exploits like you can genuinely learn a lot from just studying open-source code but if you're expecting a payday, you're better off working at starbucks
guninvalid over coax alliance
hell you can even print out the code and study it at starbucks when you're bored but at least you'll have a paycheck to show for it
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
but thats what red teaming is for writing exploits sending payloads injecting shit yk
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
https://github.com/joaoviictorti/RustRedOps a friend of mine showed me this directory
GitHub
GitHub - joaoviictorti/RustRedOps: RustRedOps is a repository for a...
RustRedOps is a repository for advanced Red Team techniques and offensive malware, focused on Rust 🦀 - joaoviictorti/RustRedOps
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
im going at like creating exploits like he does in his dir
guninvalid over coax alliance
it is, but ive only discovered a few exploits and i haven't been paid for any of them and honestly, im okay with that
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
you yourself have?
guninvalid over coax alliance
yes! i have been in the red team world
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
What were the exploits for?
guninvalid over coax alliance
i responsibly disclosed them immediately so you've never heard of them one was for my uni and one was for an indie game i was beta testing i think there were others but they were probably pretty minor
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
how often do you think it is that someone comes across a vulnerability
guninvalid over coax alliance
i have no idea
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
regarding the windows kernel and the sevrers like 22H2 and such
guninvalid over coax alliance
windows kernel? the world will probably never know because a large portion of those are discovered by nation states and then sat-on could be 20%, could be 50%, could be 99.9%
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
yeah and those are
guninvalid over coax alliance
we won't know until the files get declassified, and even then we won't know if all of them are declassified
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
heavily funded by extreme professionals
guninvalid over coax alliance
remember eternalblue? yea we would've never known about that zero-day if not for stuxnet
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
NO I WAS GONAN TYPE SOMETHING ELSE 😡
deleted_user_3a9be3950d8
‘ why does stupid cyber info not let me say . Instead of ‘ when im catching up to responses foolish foolish cyber info this conversation is too big must delete it
guninvalid over coax alliance
tl;dr you can try tnok if you want to, but standard security practices are good enough for almost everyone: keep your shit updated, use secure passwords, and maintain just a little bit of skepticism. if you want to setup a device or port firewall, it's probably safer to go with standard ufw, firewalld, or windows defender, or you can try something like freeradius, or you can buy a standalone device like a palo alto or cisco or just make a firewall using vyos or pfsense or openwrt

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